• LettyWhiterock@lemmy.worldEnglish
    14·
    7 months ago

    As a heads up, Librewolf last I checked had issues with media involving DRM. Ergo, streaming services will throw a fit if you try using them on it. Not an issue if you don’t use any of course, and there may be ways around it, but worth knowing that it doesn’t work out of the box at least.

  • hubobes@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    96·
    7 months ago

    And at some point someone will tell me what is so horrifying about these new features? Mozilla might be the only company trying to provide privacy first AI features. What exactly is so bad here? You can even disable these features if you do not like them at all.

    • techt@lemmy.worldEnglish
      7·
      7 months ago

      I’ll try to give an out-of-the-loop answer to this, if that helps. Concerning “AI” tools, I think the chunk of people who don’t want it included in the browser on any level come in one or both of two forms. One is a moral opposition – for example, a pro-environmental or pro-artist stance. I don’t think those need much explanation, but feel free to say otherwise.

      The other is in my opinion is in response to exhaustion. Pro-“AI” features have proven themselves to be untrustworthy at nearly every turn with thoughtless or downright irresponsible implementations. A worthwhile use-case is the exception rather than the norm and It’s tiring to have to constantly check if this time I want it on or not. As a result of opt-in-by-default changes to privacy policies or account settings, my trust in any site or app publishing an “AI” implementation has been broken and it’s nice to have options I don’t have to worry about wherever I can get them. I found it irritatingly tone-deaf that Mozilla wasn’t considering a kill-switch with their first swing at this.

      If it seems unreasonable or hard-to-understand, I think taking a step back and looking at the broader software industry rather than just Mozilla will help.

    • cambodia@lemmy.worldEnglish
      81·
      7 months ago

      Mozilla is still the only company maintaining an alternative to Chromium (there’s also webkit if you count Apple). Without Firefox you can’t have Librewolf or other alternatives.

      Mozilla is not perfect but people really need to stop treating them in a purely binary fashion (you are either horrible or are perfect).

      You can criticize Mozilla for the direction they are taking with Firefox, but also you can argue that being a hardcore privacy-centric browser will kill interest for Firefox even faster.

    • ekZepp@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
      3·
      7 months ago

      Firefox is not the devil, but “ideologies aside”, the basic idea is:

      1. (Just like microsoft), They could have just decided to put it in one of the “many” variant of the product, name it FoxAI, let the users decide and call a day. Instead, they’ve chosen to force a very heavy component like that on the main version out of blue.

      2. Switched or not. Now, you’ll have ‘way’ more bloat on a browser, who should be focused on speed and performance.

      3. The whole thing about AI on free stuff is to get as much data as possible to train. You have to trust them to switch it off completely.

    • onehundredsixtynine@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      3·
      7 months ago

      You can even disable these features if you do not like them at all

      As a smart person said:

      BETTER IT NOT EXIST AT ALL

      If I went to a restaurant, they placed a hot steaming stinky turd sandwich on my table and then went “oh, but you don’t have to have it”, I still wouldn’t fucking eat there.

      Why should we be okay with the Turd Sandwich that is crypto being served by Brave LLM features served by Mozilla being opt-in???

      -gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone

    • Zak@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      7 months ago

      I’m not particularly horrified about the availability of AI features, but I’d rather see Mozilla focus most of its resources on core competencies. Firefox lags behind Chrome in web standards feature support, e.g. the browser scores on https://caniuse.com/. It’s also prone to making my laptop fan spin more than Chromium browser do, and people often complain about speed.

      They should make the core browser better, and maybe task a couple developers to build some LLM support as an extension.

    • brucethemoose@lemmy.worldEnglish
      22·
      7 months ago

      Mozilla might be the only company trying to provide privacy first AI features.

      They are not. There are boatloads of privacy friendly “AI” implementations, they just aren’t very high profile.

      But I do think people are over-reacting. This is a less bad approach. And if you can turn it off and leave it off, what’s the big deal?

  • abfm90@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2·
    7 months ago

    I use Fennec in Android and Librewolf in Linux.

    Libre wolf needs a bit of tweaking at the begining but then works like charm.

  • anticonnor@lemmy.worldEnglish
    31·
    7 months ago

    Any recommendations for iOS? I switched to Librewolf on my Linux pc and Fennec on my Android phone, but still have Firefox on my iPad. Looking for good alternatives.

    • WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      4·
      7 months ago

      if you install arkenfox yourself, likely you’ll never remember to update it. if you use librewolf or such, the maintainers will take care of it for you

      If you use fennec on android, I think you can even just copy your config to your phone and have it working the same there.

      and where do you copy it on your phone? I think it’s not that simple but maybe I missed something

        • WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          2·
          7 months ago

          all data of the firefox is located in /data/data/packgename, which is inaccessible without root permissions. a few android versions ago it was accessible through ADB, not anymore. I don’t think it’s possible anymore to install arkenfox on plain firefox android for most users.

          even with a rooted phone its not that easy. granting termux root rights and running su, the per-package data folders are not visible, you have to switch to the correct mount namespace somehow. some file manager apps adapted to be able to do that