• ekZepp@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    I’m not a fan of China (government)… at all. But when I check all the technological breakthrough they are getting in these last years while the US was inflating his fucking ai-bubble. Objectively, they are getting so far ahead is not even funny. At least Europe is on a good track themself.

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      7 months ago

      I’m no China expert but I lived In South China for a while between 2016 and 2024. The Chinese people I know are mostly hardworking, very motivated to succeed, and well capitalized. In their major cities you might be surprised to learn normal guys who earn half what you do are living a higher quality of life than you are, in terms of access to technology.

      Their government is no doubt using uncouth methods to give their country unfair advantages. They don’t play well with others.

      But holy shit there is one thing this Chinese government is doing well: effectively driving growth with targeted investments in the economy. They have been focused on that one mission consistently for a long time.

      While democracies fuck around trying to decide if they should tax themselves to build public transportation, China installs 10 new ultrafast subway lines in just a few years in every big city. Covers the country in a network of high-speed rail. Drives the price of shipping goods around the country to almost nothing.

      A kind of monoparty like China has is very likely a net negative when we look at world history, but for moments of time, if it’s the right one, amazing things can happen.

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        7 months ago

        One thing I’ve been impressed with China for is moving towards greener technologies. They’re a leader in solar, their EV’s are apparently very good (not that I can get one here to verify that), and they’re pretty dogged in their pursuit of nuclear energy.

        Meanwhile USA is apparently still in “let’s overturn regimes and take over other countries for the oil companies” mode

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        7 months ago

        Hey, Americans are hard working too. Some work 3 jobs just to make ends meet.

        The US government threatens other countries with tariffs and sanctions to give American companies unfair advantage. Is that not using unclouth methods?

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          7 months ago

          Americans are hardworking too, but the American government is not actively working to support those hardworking Americans, which is the difference… the average American is working their ass off to earn less than ever to add wealth to the small percentage of ultra wealthy in power here. There are sanctions, tarriffs, and subsidies here, but the vast majority of them benefit the top of the pyramid, while leaving the majority to struggle.

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            7 months ago

            The US government does everything in its power to make the wealthy even more wealthy. But hey, worker empowerment is communism.

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      7 months ago

      The overwhelming majority of their so called breakthroughs are just media fluff pieces though. Their sources are more and more often AI generated studies and their supposed advancements aren‘t going anywhere a lot of the time. By the time people start asking questions and want to know more details they have already prepared another story for you to be impressed by. It‘s shock and awe.

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      7 months ago

      Thats the thing that truly pisses me off about the US govt right now.

      Ok, China is doing all these things and we’re losing our advantage? Do what we did during the space race and pump cash into innovation, science, and research.

      But noooo we do the polar opposite and also drive scientists out of the country because they can get funding elsewhere.

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        7 months ago

        Hey, at least they’ve got evangelism down to a science. I’m sure militant devotion to [the parts they like from] the Bible will pay back dividends down the road. Who needs the disciplined and organized pursuit of modern science in earnest when some old book written by long-dead humans claiming to speak for a supreme being says it has all the answers (many of which involve smite-based solutions)?

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        Do what we did during the space race and pump cash into innovation, science, and research.

        Oh they are. For AI. Instead of scrambling to Fusion, they’re putting the money into generating nudes of celebrities.

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        7 months ago

        Sure, if you like to compare corrupt, totalitarian states, have fun. Don’t forget russia.

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          7 months ago

          People of the world including Europe, South America, middle East and Asia feel safer from Russia and China than America.

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      7 months ago

      You don’t have to like the government, but they’re the sole reason China is slowly starting to take the lead in science and engineering. These are the fruits of marxism-leninism, whether you like it or not.

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        China is not Marxist-leninist lmao. They have a market economy.

        State capitalism is not the same as Marxism.